Smithee
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Post by Smithee on Jul 15, 2010 22:39:11 GMT
I'm only up to Vol. 6 of Berserk, but I have no job, and have to buy them one at a time. Well I buy them 3 at a time, but they're not double volumes.
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Post by zombi1978 on Jul 17, 2010 12:41:49 GMT
Good, but I will tell you this: art and story become even better with each new volume!  |
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Post by shinobi on Oct 26, 2010 16:02:10 GMT
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Krieg
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Post by Krieg on Nov 24, 2010 23:59:34 GMT
Koichi Ohata's Complete M.D. Geist. I'm pretty disappointed with it. Particularly with the Ground Zero part (Geist being able only to follow orders? How did he become a leader of a gang then? Too much talking, bland scenery, fucked up continuity - Geist has destroyed the Nexrum VTOL before getting imprisoned and the world was already post-holocaust then, wasted space that could be used for the anime adaptation... Also, fucking jungle, fucking temple, fucking serpent robots) and scenes that were great in the anime but got cut mutilated in the comic like taking down the VTOL and the ending. They didn't devote enough space to these scenes which were masterfully crafted in the anime.
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Post by zombi1978 on Nov 26, 2010 12:34:37 GMT
Don't forget that Ground Zero is a typical example of American comics, that rely more on interesting dialogues, and the story(-telling) itself, the background and so on. What you wanted to see, as I also did, was pure violent action like in an old-school manga.
Another point: But to be honest, I doubt that Ohata was really involved in the subsequent following M.D. Geist OVA comic as a mecha designer. I think if he really took part in this project, then the mechanical stuff would look hyper-greatly-made and even more sophisticated than it already is, because hey: It were the mid-90s! Ohata wasn't some inexperienced designer at this time due to his insanely well produced Genocyber.
(Never listen to reviews saying the OVA series is "too much violent and shows only mechas" and shit like in M.D. Geist. WHY THE FUCK DO THEY WATCH THIS IF THEY ALREADY KNOW THIS STUFF IS NOT COHERENT TO THEM?!)
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Krieg
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Post by Krieg on Nov 26, 2010 15:03:31 GMT
Don't forget that Ground Zero is a typical example of American comics, that rely more on interesting dialogues, and the story(-telling) itself, the background and so on. What you wanted to see, as I also did, was pure violent action like in an old-school manga. The main difference is that M.D. Geist film elevates violent action to the level of art while the Ground Zero is mediocre as a story-based comic. They not only abandoned the genre of M.D. Geist but also didn't live up to it quality-wise. A story-based comic that would deserve the name of M.D. Geist would have to be at level of Watchmen. Another point: But to be honest, I doubt that Ohata was really involved in the subsequent following M.D. Geist OVA comic as a mecha designer. I think if he really took part in this project, then the mechanical stuff would look hyper-greatly-made and even more sophisticated than it already is, because hey: It were the mid-90s! Ohata wasn't some inexperienced designer at this time due to his insanely well produced Genocyber. I have the same suspicions. (Never listen to reviews saying the OVA series is "too much violent and shows only mechas" and shit like in M.D. Geist. WHY THE FUCK DO THEY WATCH THIS IF THEY ALREADY KNOW THIS STUFF IS NOT COHERENT TO THEM?!) It's like saying that Mona Lisa is a bad painting because it doesn't have enough character development. And Metal Slug is a bad game because it doesn't have enough dialogues. They simply can't into art. They have the pretentious attitude that everything has to fit their narrow definition of "good", otherwise it's "bad". Just look at this guy. He basically says that M.D. Geist is enjoyable and has enjoyable action scenes but somehow it ends up as "bad" because it doesn't fit his narrow generation of good. More, he claims that the comic is decent despite that it's much worse than the anime. Probably because it fulfils his arbitrary criteria. |
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Post by Vendaval Este on Nov 26, 2010 15:14:49 GMT
M.D. Geist is an exploitation title, it was made to focus on mechanical designs so a guy (Ohata) could get further work, that's all really, that's all the OVA industry was good for. It's bad in that it suffers from animation flaws and a mishmash story, but we've long overlooked that and enjoy its other elements. An interview exists with Tim Eldred, in which he talks a bit about the comics. Don't forget that Ground Zero is a typical example of American comics, that rely more on interesting dialogues, and the story(-telling) itself, the background and so on. What you wanted to see, as I also did, was pure violent action like in an old-school manga. You've just basically said no manga ever had character development. |
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Post by zombi1978 on Nov 26, 2010 15:24:52 GMT
The main difference is that M.D. Geist film elevates violent action to the level of art while the Ground Zero is mediocre as a story-based comic. They not only abandoned the genre of M.D. Geist but also didn't live up to it quality-wise. A story-based comic that would deserve the name of M.D. Geist would have to be at level of Watchmen. I couldn't agree more with you on that. You've just basically said no manga ever had character development. I'm sorry, but it was not my intention to say something like that. Otherwise I would have written it straight down. And I mean STRAIGHT. |
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Post by Krieg on Nov 26, 2010 16:53:38 GMT
M.D. Geist is an exploitation title, it was made to focus on mechanical designs so a guy (Ohata) could get further work, that's all really, that's all the OVA industry was good for. It's also good for releasing stuff that isn't over a hour long and isn't bloated to fit tens of episodes. It's bad in that it suffers from animation flaws and a mishmash story, but we've long overlooked that and enjoy its other elements. Animation flaws are the main flaw of M.D. Geist, but I wouldn't say that they make M.D. Geist bad - they are well compensated with what they do these animations - stuff like the opening scene and end fight. I already loved them before, but reading the comic opened my eyes to how much skill making them required and how they could be not as awesome when made by less skilled people. I don't agree about the story, though. An interview exists with Tim Eldred, in which he talks a bit about the comics. Link, plz? |
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Post by Vendaval Este on Nov 26, 2010 20:14:51 GMT
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Krieg
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Post by Krieg on Nov 27, 2010 7:07:49 GMT
So, apparently that guy isn't a fan of M.D. Geist (while apparently being a fan of some other stuff he worked on). It explains everything. Also, the thing about "smooth approval process" sounds kinda suspicious.
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Post by Vendaval Este on Nov 27, 2010 8:44:02 GMT
I think Ground Zero was more rushed than anything on CPM's part, it was made only to go along with the Director's Cut at the time.
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Post by Krieg on Nov 27, 2010 15:38:22 GMT
Which is a shame. They should have focused on the main part, so that there would be much more pages for drawing some of more complex scenes. Well, at least I have some concept sketches in print. One thing that I have found offputting are little displays of bad taste like the entire Ground Zero part and their gloating about the "Geist Raider" thing. Anyway, it's a shame that they didn't release the M.D. Geist statue  . |
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Post by fokkusu on Dec 19, 2010 3:21:46 GMT
The Laughing Target- Artbook
Contains character designs, a film comics of the OVA, and art for the OVA. And probably more. Can't wait for it to arrive in the mail!
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Post by Vendaval Este on Dec 19, 2010 20:03:31 GMT
The Laughing Target- ArtbookContains character designs, a film comics of the OVA, and art for the OVA. And probably more. Can't wait for it to arrive in the mail! OVA books like these are like holy grails. |
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