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Post by Krieg on Nov 29, 2010 15:39:09 GMT
I can't believe how beautiful this anime is ;D . It's the most beautiful anime... hell, the most beautiful movie that I have ever seen  . M.D. Geist is a perfect human being ;D . His life is an eternal wargame. I love how he kicks Vinya out of his bed, destroys VToLs by jumping on them, fights mecha in melee combat and activates the Death Force ;D . And that end boss fight ;D . Good fucking God, what a movie ;D. Despite all the animation flaws, this anime is a work of sublime beauty ;D . |
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Post by loadrunner81 on Dec 2, 2010 15:00:12 GMT
To me, I see Soukihei M.D. Geist as so bad, it's good and as a graphically violent, incomplete, action/adventure film. I would have really loved to have seen this anime OVA as the way Koichi Ohata and Riku Sanjyo intended. Hell, I'd even love to see a remake just as long as Ohata-san is involved heavily in the project.
EDIT/ADD: Okay, I take back the "so bad, it's good" comment. Now that I think about it, M.D. Geist to me is an good, short anime action/sci-fi film that could have been so much more. It's like looking at a short film being pitched to a major motion picture studio. I think it could have been a sci-fi allegory to the horrors of war and science run amok.
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Post by Krieg on Dec 2, 2010 17:47:04 GMT
To me, I see Soukihei M.D. Geist as so bad, it's good I can't see M.D. Geist as "so bad it's good" because I don't derive enjoyment from the bad parts of it. Somehow I can't see anything good in Colonel Crutz's body jumping up and down due to an animation mistake or cheap Death Force-style animation moments with still images with animated parts. I like M.D. Geist because of the things that are good or great in it. |
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Post by Vendaval Este on Dec 2, 2010 17:49:48 GMT
I enjoy it for what appeals to me in it, which is a good amount. It has bad aspects, I do not enjoy them, I really want to steer away from this "so bad it's good" thing, have no shame in what you like, especially if you can back yourself up.
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Post by Krieg on Dec 3, 2010 3:29:11 GMT
The "so bad it's good" thing usually refers to bad things things make a movie more fun. In case of M.D. Geist practically the only "so bad it's good" stuff would be names like "Death Force" and "Brain Palace" which are pretty funny - though, since these names are in M.D. Geist, it should be "so bad it's awesome". If enjoyment of a movie is derived mostly of such stuff, then it's "so bad it's good".
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Post by loadrunner81 on Dec 4, 2010 10:59:30 GMT
I edited my last post a bit.
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Post by Krieg on Dec 4, 2010 12:46:28 GMT
EDIT/ADD: Okay, I take back the "so bad, it's good" comment. Now that I think about it, M.D. Geist to me is an good, short anime action/sci-fi film that could have been so much more. It's like looking at a short film being pitched to a major motion picture studio. I think it could have been a sci-fi allegory to the horrors of war and science run amok. What would be the point of it, though? I think that adding "depth" and tons of pseudo-intellectualism would be against what made M.D. Geist good. One of the main things that make me like M.D. Geist is that is how honest it is. M.D. Geist isn't about the horrors of war. Horrors of war and science run amok are just a background of M.D. Geist. Something that adds a lot to the atmosphere, but still just a background. M.D. Geist is about that side of human mind that loves the exhilaration of combat. The setting is a setting of a senseless total war. The protagonist as a perfect action movie protagonist - we watch action movies because we want action and he fights because he wants action too and he's good enough to avoid negative consequences of it. It's about how M.D. Geist kills people and destroys machines and fucks up the world just for the hell of it. It's about violence of the flame and about a soldier of the devil. It's a honest brutal action game, not a diluted Hollywood action movie with soft stuff like romance, searching for lost love (Oh Julia! JULIAAAAAAAAAAA!!!), excuses for violence, "deep message" and stupid jokes. M.D. Geist rejects all that stuff (literally, including kicking out a beautiful woman out of his bed) and goes "VIOLENCE, FUCK YEAH!!!" (actually, he doesn't. He just smiles. Which is even more awesome.) |
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Post by Vendaval Este on Dec 4, 2010 13:07:19 GMT
To be honest I do wish it had a bit more depth, it kinda has the possibilities for it.
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Post by Krieg on Dec 4, 2010 15:44:54 GMT
To be honest I do wish it had a bit more depth, it kinda has the possibilities for it. Depth decreases re-watchability. Also, what kind of depth? What would it add to the show? Would it make it more violent? Would it add more action? |
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Post by Vendaval Este on Dec 4, 2010 17:27:37 GMT
I don't know how depth decreases re-watchability, because it means you can unearth more when you watch something, it's what makes some films truly great.
As for M.D. Geist, the depth could simply be within more characterization, if it was longer I would have basically liked to have seen more of each character and the barbarism of the world they live in, there's the gap between the land-roving gangs and the soldiers fighting, you could use that to say something about both sides through that. Hell, if you take it further enough, Geist could be the only good person in his world as he's neither a scavenger in a ruined world or fighting a pointless war, he's the one putting an end to everything.
I really don't know what made you think more depth would result in more action though, that would be the opposite of depth. Sure, longer action scenes are a bonus but I would still like more substance.
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Post by Krieg on Dec 4, 2010 18:12:04 GMT
I don't know how depth decreases re-watchability, because it means you can unearth more when you watch something, it's what makes some films truly great. And the movie stops being watchable as soon as you unearth everything, because there's a lot of "deep" stuff between the action scenes. And since it's a movie it happens very fast. M.D. Geist is more like a beautiful music video that can be watched again and again. And let's be honest, the "deep" stuff would be nowhere near the level of the action scenes which are excellent at following the rule of cool. It would basically dilute the goodness of the anime. As for M.D. Geist, the depth could simply be within more characterization, if it was longer I would have basically liked to have seen more of each character and the barbarism of the world they live in, there's the gap between the land-roving gangs and the soldiers fighting, you could use that to say something about both sides through that. Hell, if you take it further enough, Geist could be the only good person in his world as he's neither a scavenger in a ruined world or fighting a pointless war, he's the one putting an end to everything. Geist is an embodiment of a pointless war. And he doesn't put an end to everything. He just makes everything worse for his own enjoyment. And the anime title isn't "the people who met M.D. Geist". It's "M.D. Geist". And Mr Geist happens to not care about people (and their characters) but about action. Which is why I love the anime :geistsmile: . I really don't know what made you think more depth would result in more action though, that would be the opposite of depth. That's the point :3 . |
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Post by Vendaval Este on Dec 4, 2010 18:46:26 GMT
...I really don't think you've got a good handle on this and would personally recommend you go away and watch a few things that require analysis.
Films that is.
If substances renders films unwatchable after a first viewing, then god forbid the likes of Stanley Kubrick's, Akira Kurosawa's, Werner Herzog's, Ingmar Bergman's, Michael Haneke's, Martin Scorsese's, and god knows how many other directors films be remembered for more than what was just on the screen. Also, if you enjoy something, don't you just keep on watching it? I've collected so much material on M.D. Geist, thought about everything in it so much, and noticed every little background detail, it's far beyond exhausted, yet I still watch it. I really don't know how substance honestly limits a moving image, if it becomes more memorable through that, it's a success. I'm a lover of extremely linear and limited trashy productions, some of them stand far above others, and I can say many of them get boring.
To me, Geist is the end of everything, because he ver well exterminates everyone, and what's left after that? Just him, acquiring he kills every last Death Force unit (the sequel is out of the equation for now).
As for your "that's the point", you're not making a lot of sense, elaborate a bit more please.
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Post by Krieg on Dec 4, 2010 22:37:38 GMT
...I really don't think you've got a good handle on this and would personally recommend you go away and watch a few things that require analysis. Films that is. Can you recommend me any that are under a hour long? If substances renders films unwatchable after a first viewing, I never claimed such thing. If substances renders films unwatchable after a first viewing, then god forbid the likes of Stanley Kubrick's, Akira Kurosawa's, Werner Herzog's, Ingmar Bergman's, Michael Haneke's, Martin Scorsese's, and god knows how many other directors films be remembered for more than what was just on the screen. Except that M.D. Geist wasn't made by any of these guys and I doubt any of them would be able to make anything like M.D. Geist just as I doubt any attempt of adding depth into M.D. Geist would be anywhere near the level of their work. Also, I doubt their movies are watchable 4 times a month :3 . Also, if you enjoy something, don't you just keep on watching it? There are different kinds of enjoyment. Some of them are too long and emotionally unpleasant to repeat them. And M.D. Geist is short, pleasant and beautiful. I've collected so much material on M.D. Geist, thought about everything in it so much, and noticed every little background detail, it's far beyond exhausted, yet I still watch it. I really don't know how substance honestly limits a moving image, if it becomes more memorable through that, it's a success. The more substance you put in, the more the movie depends on it. M.D. Geist is still watchable and enjoyable after all the substance is exhausted because of its substance - action/coolness ratio. It doesn't depend on substance. Or rather, action is the substance here and the rest is flavouring. It's like saying that action scenes are good, so the Taxi Driver could use more action scenes, or that depth is good, so Metal Slug could use more depth. To me, Geist is the end of everything, because he ver well exterminates everyone, and what's left after that? Just him, acquiring he kills every last Death Force unit (the sequel is out of the equation for now). Ending everything didn't seem to be his intention, though. As for your "that's the point", you're not making a lot of sense, elaborate a bit more please. M.D. Geist is very good at action scenes. Speaking of depth... I'd love to see a few proper prequels to M.D. Geist that wouldn't be overtalked and which would properly show off Geist's savagery and how it was decided that he needs to be imprisoned. With more urban fighting, complete disregard for human life and crazy action scenes like the one in the opening. |
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Post by loadrunner81 on Dec 6, 2010 11:50:57 GMT
EDIT/ADD: Okay, I take back the "so bad, it's good" comment. Now that I think about it, M.D. Geist to me is an good, short anime action/sci-fi film that could have been so much more. It's like looking at a short film being pitched to a major motion picture studio. I think it could have been a sci-fi allegory to the horrors of war and science run amok. What would be the point of it, though? I think that adding "depth" and tons of pseudo-intellectualism would be against what made M.D. Geist good. One of the main things that make me like M.D. Geist is that is how honest it is. M.D. Geist isn't about the horrors of war. Horrors of war and science run amok are just a background of M.D. Geist. Something that adds a lot to the atmosphere, but still just a background. M.D. Geist is about that side of human mind that loves the exhilaration of combat. The setting is a setting of a senseless total war. The protagonist as a perfect action movie protagonist - we watch action movies because we want action and he fights because he wants action too and he's good enough to avoid negative consequences of it. It's about how M.D. Geist kills people and destroys machines and fucks up the world just for the hell of it. It's about violence of the flame and about a soldier of the devil. It's a honest brutal action game, not a diluted Hollywood action movie with soft stuff like romance, searching for lost love (Oh Julia! JULIAAAAAAAAAAA!!!), excuses for violence, "deep message" and stupid jokes. M.D. Geist rejects all that stuff (literally, including kicking out a beautiful woman out of his bed) and goes "VIOLENCE, FUCK YEAH!!!" (actually, he doesn't. He just smiles. Which is even more awesome.) I'm well aware of that after watching the anime countless times. What I was saying was that there could have been a lot more to see if it was made the way Koichi Ohata intended for it to be made. |
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Post by Krieg on Dec 6, 2010 19:14:02 GMT
Link, plz? I wonder what he intended to add.
Action/flavour ratio aside, I'm glad that both Geist movies are under 50 minutes long as I don't have time to watch long movies any more, so longer movies usually automatically fall into the "won't watch again in a long, long time" category.
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